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Tuesday, August 14, 2012

BATMAN AND ROBIN WAS ACTUALLY MORE ACCURATE TO COMICS THAN NOLANS FILMS

So let’s start with the casting. George Clooney certainly looks EXACTLY like the Bruce Wayne from the comics.



And I think he looks a lot like the Alex Ross Batman when wearing the suit.



Chris O’Donnell is a perfect physical match for the adult Dick Grayson in the comics. He’s five foot ten with blue eyes, a square jaw and an athletic physique. I suppose you could nitpick that his hair is brown instead of black, but that aside his physical characteristics match the adult Robin’s perfectly.

Robin’s costume in this movie was of course modelled on the Nightwing costume from the 90s.



There was even a line in the original script that alluded to this.



Mr. Freeze’s appearance in the film is similar to his muscular high-tech look from the nineties comics, which itself was an evolved version of the Otto Preminger version from the TV show.



When we first see Mr. Freeze he’s stealing a diamond from a museum. Before Paul Dini introduced Mr. Freeze’s more sympathetic origin story, his MO typically revolved around ice-themed crimes. He would often try and steal diamonds, seeing as how a slang term for diamonds is ‘ice’. The very first time Batman and Robin encountered Mr. Freeze – back when he was known as Mr. Zero in ‘The Ice Crimes of Mr. Zero’ (Batman #121, February 1959) – he was in the process of stealing diamonds.



Of course back then he was known as Mr. Zero. He only appeared in one story and was promptly forgotten until writer Max Hodge decided to use him in a two-part story for the Batman television series. Hodge reworked the character to make him more interesting, and he and the rest of the crew imbued him with certain characteristics that were subsequently adopted into the comics. Amongst there were:
• His new name: Mr. Freeze
• His Teutonic background
• His blue skin
Mr. Zero was then reintroduced into the comics in the story ‘Mr. Freeze’s Chilling Deathtrap!’ (Detective Comics #373, March 1968); one of the stories that most heavily influenced Schumacher’s film. This was the first time he appeared as ‘Mr. Freeze’, and his change of name was playfully attributed to the TV show.



In 1996, Hodge applied for monetary compensation for his part in creating Mr. Freeze. He created a document to support his case containing his notes on the writing of the first script and correspondences with the producer. You can read the whole thing over at www.batfriend.com/data.htm. It’s a fascinating read for anyone who has an interest in the Mr. Freeze character or just the sixties TV show in general.

As far as the casting of Arnold Schwarzenegger goes – well this isn’t a comic influence, but check out this fan letter printed in Batman #479 (June 1992).



I love the fact the editor only printed this letter because it was such a terrible idea. I hope Ralph T. Kirkum is happy he got his wish...

Anyway, back to the movie. Mr. Freeze’s freeze-gun functions much the same as it does in the comics.





Batman and Robin show up and are attacked by Freeze’s henchman. During the battle they click their feet together to make skates come out of their boots. Back in the fifties Batman and Robin would often use ‘jet skates’ to quickly manoeuvre around the city. As it happens, they were wearing these the very first time they encountered Mr. Freeze back in Batman #121.



During the skirmish Batman and Robin use ice skates and hockey sticks to fight their opponents. A remarkably similar battle occurred in ‘Murder Masquerade!’ (Batman #268, October 1975) in which Batman and Robin fought their enemies on an ice rink using hockey sticks. And they spouted their fair share of hockey-puns too.





Freeze escapes the museum in his Freezemobile. The Mr. Freeze in the comics drove a vaguely similar vehicle in his second appearance in Detective Comics #373.



Batman then gives chase, firing a grapple hook from a device on his wrist. He, Batgirl and Robin are shown to do this several times throughout the movie rather than using a more traditional hand-held grapple gun as in the previous films. The Batman in the comics has occasionally used a similar wrist-mounted grapple launcher.



Freeze then traps Batman on a rocket heading into space and leaves him to die there. This scenario, whereby the villain leaves Batman in a seemingly inescapable death trap and doesn’t stick around to watch the outcome, was a staple of the old Batman TV show from the sixties. We see a similar example later in the movie where Ivy tries to leave Batman and Robin to die in the Turkish baths.

Robin shows up to rescue Batman and cuts him free using a laser tool. The dynamic duo both carry such tools and made especially prominent use of them in the sixties comics and TV show.



Batman then places a Batbomb. Again, these have shown up in numerous comics.



The scene of Robin sky-surfing is likely a nod to Pepe Moreno’s 1990 one-shot Digital Justice. Moreno used computer generated artwork to tell a story about a new Batman and Robin protecting Gotham in the future. It had a contemporary cyberpunk feel that I expect would’ve appealed to Joel Schumacher’s visual sensibilities. In this comic Robin has a flying skateboard, and the image of him surfing through the night sky over Gotham is pretty similar to the scene in the movie.



Mr. Freeze using his freeze-gun to facilitate a getaway is typical of the comic character (note the lame ice pun – “Don’t get hot under the collar” – also typical of the early stories).



Batman and Robin using their capes like parachutes to slow their descent has also happened many times in the comics.



Mr. Freeze relaxing in a dressing gown while his henchmen freeze in his subzero hideout harkens back to his first appearance in Batman #121.



Moving on to Batgirl. As I mentioned in another thread, the version in this movie is basically an amalgamation of two characters from the sixties comics: the original Batgirl Betty Kane and Alfred’s niece Daphne.
Betty showed up on her aunt’s doorstep in ‘Batgirl!’ (Batman #139, April 1961). Her aunt was course Kathy Kane, aka Batwoman. But Betty didn’t know this at first.



In ‘Angel—or Devil?’ (Batman #216, November 1969) we see the first appearance of Alfred’s niece, Daphne. Her arrival is just as abrupt as Betty’s. But Alfred and co welcome her with open arms. Both Betty and Daphne immediately attract the attention of Dick Grayson.



While we’re on the subject of Alfred’s family its worth mentioning that the Alfred in the comics also has a brother called Wilfred.



Daphne at first appears to be a trustworthy young girl. But she is soon caught snooping around the Manor late at night, up to no good.







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The storyline about Alfred’s sickness is yet another element adapted from Detective Comics #373. In the comic it is Aunt Harriet who is sick.



Her condition can only be cured by use of a rare cryosurgical instrument which operates on the same principle as Mr. Freeze’s freeze-gun. But this breaks when the doctors try to operate, and Bruce and Dick are told that Aunt Harriet will die unless they can find a replacement device.



Moving on to Poison Ivy now. The version in this movie is pretty accurate to the comics and seemingly takes her cues from Ivy’s first few appearances in the sixties as well as a story arc from the early eighties.



Neil Gaiman’s Black Orchid (1989) revealed that Ivy became the way she is after being experimented on by her college teacher, Jason Woodrue.



In the movie she makes her public debut at a charity auction. Batman and Robin were constantly attending these kind of social events in the forties, fifties and sixties. Here’s an example from ‘Batman’s Marriage Trap’ (Batman #214, August 1969). In this scene Batman and Robin attend a beauty contest where the winning girl gets a date with batman himself. It’s the kind of media-friendly antics the darker Batman would never indulge, but the sixties Batman was only too happy to go along with.



The Bat-credit card.



This is really bothering me, but there’s something nagging at my memory telling me I’ve seen this in a comic. I can’t remember which one, so it might just be my memory playing tricks on me. But I could have sworn I once read a comic where Batman produced a credit card from his utility belt. He may have used it to force a locked door or something, but I can’t remember the exact issue. Nevertheless my gut tells me the Bat-credit card does exist in the comics. If anyone can find evidence of this, please post it.

When Poison Ivy first appeared in ‘Beware of -- Poison Ivy!’ (Batman #181, June 1966) she made her debut at a weird pop art display showcasing models with peculiar names. Ivy shows up and upstages the other women, introducing herself as the most beautiful of them all.



Batman is instantly enamoured with her, and finds himself distracted to the point that it’s impeding his work. This creates some friction between him and Robin. But in the comic Batman is the one who becomes obsessed with Ivy, while Robin is the one who tries to warn him.



Batman punching a bad guy through a drum is typical of the wacky fight scenes from the Pre-Crisis comics.



Bruce Wayne is haunted by the memory of Ivy and starts to hallucinate about her when he is with his girlfriend. Batman’s encounters with Ivy often bring about these kind of obsessive hallucinations. A good example would be Ivy’s second appearance in the comics in ‘A Touch of Poison Ivy!’ (Batman #183, August 1966).



Bruce’s girlfriend in the movie is Julie Madison. In the comics, Julie Madison was an actress and Batman’s first girlfriend. She first appeared in ‘Batman Versus the Vampire’ (Detective Comics 31, September 1939) where she was introduced as Bruce Wayne’s fiancĂ©e. The movie makes several references to her and Bruce getting engaged, and those are likely nods to their short-lived betrothal in the comics.



Bane visually resembles his comic counterpart.



I won’t bother addressing Bane’s origins in the comics as shumacers bane is more acciurte to the one in nolans film
http://gothamalleys.blogspot.com/2011/02/bane.html
Needless to say the Bane in Nolans move is a significant departure from the comic version.

However,  Bane in this movie is similar to a character called Evan. Evan was a chauffeur/henchman that served Ivy during a story arc in the early eighties. When he first appeared he was called ‘Evan’. Later he was referred to as ‘Ivor’. It’s possible they’re two separate characters, but since they’re so similar in appearance and personality, and since they both appear within the same story arc, it seems more likely the writer simply changed his name in between issues.



In ‘A Sweet Kiss of Poison’ (Batman #339, September 1981), Ivy disguises herself with a wig in order to manoeuvre in public without being recognised. Note Evan/Ivor driving the car.



Once disguised, she is able to get close to Bruce Wayne and cast her influence over him.



This story arc is finally resolved in ‘Monster, My Sweet!’ (Batman #344, February 1982). In this story Ivy’s moustachioed chauffer – now referred to as ‘Ivor’, but apparently the same guy she’d previously called ‘Evan’ – is transformed into a giant half plant/half human monster.



He is slavishly devoted to Ivy, communicates in short simple sentences and calls her ‘mistress’. She commands him to attack Batman and the two of them do battle.



Ivy mutated Ivor as part of her experiments to try and create a plant/human hybrid.



And now a piece of trivia I wasn’t previously aware of. Golum, the gang leader in the Turkish baths, was played by Doug Hutchison (A Time to Kill, The Green Mile, Punisher: War Zone). I always remember Hutchison for his portrayal Eugene Victor Tooms, the liver-eating serial killer from the first season of The X-Files. I only recently found out he was in this movie.



Not a comic reference, but I thought I’d mention it anyway.

Meanwhile Barbara Gordon has discovered the Batcave. This scene seems to be another nod to Pepe Moreno’s Digital Justice. When the new Batman and Robin enter the old Batcave in this comic they find a Max Headroom-style computerised version of the original Batman talking to them through the Batcomputer. The computerised Batman explains that he anticipated someone might take up the mantle and has prepared costumes and equipment for his successors.



Elsewhere, Batman and Robin fall into Ivy’s trap. Over the years Ivy has developed a seemingly supernatural ability to control vines. Here’s an early example of her setting vines on Batman to crush/strangle him to death. This is taken from the aforementioned Batman #339.



The confrontation between Ivy and Batgirl in the movie showcases the former’s skills at unarmed combat. These too are evidenced in Batman #344.



In this issue she is also shown using a vine like a whip, snaring an opponent’s ankle the way she did in the movie.



Going back to Batman #139, the first time Batgirl appeared in costume was when she came to the aid of Batman, Robin and Batwoman, all of whom had been incapacitated by a villain. Batgirl sprang through a window and helped them.



At first they didn’t realise who she was under the mask. But then she explained that she’d discovered her aunt’s secret identity and taken the initiative of creating one for herself. Also note that the Betty Kane Batgirl didn’t wear a full cowl like Barbara Gordon did, instead sporting a simpler eye mask that left her blonde hair exposed.



Later in the film Batgirl wears a cowl reminiscent of the Barbara Gorgon Batgirl’s costume. She is also shown riding her Batgirl-cycle, the signature vehicle of the Gordon Batgirl since her debut in 1967.



The plot about Mr. Freeze trying to freeze Gotham with a giant freeze-cannon is taken from ‘The Glacier Under Gotham!’ (Batman #375, September 1984).





A lot of people question Batman’s sudden change of costume towards the end of the film. The comic adaptation explains that the new Arctic suit is resistant to extreme cold, including Mr. Freeze’s freeze-gun.



Batman in the comics has a variety of different costumes for different environments, including special thermal suits for cold climates.



The idea of Freeze being incapacitated after having his suit damaged is one used many times in the comics.



‘Hot House’ (Legends of the Dark Knight #42-43, 1993) ends with Ivy playing he loves me/he loves me not in her cell.



And as for Alfred’s/Aunt Harriet’s illness – in Detective Comics #373 Batman and Robin are able to defeat Mr. Freeze and take his freeze-gun to the surgeons at the hospital. They then use it in a cryosurgical procedure to save Aunt Harriet and the story ends with her making a full recovery.



And on that happy note I’ll end this overlong analysis.
     

 

Monday, August 13, 2012

JUST SAY YES! TO THE JUSTICE LEAUGE MOVIE! FUCK NOLAN ONFILM!

unlike some  hicks from backwater texas that are complete poser wannabees who like to give oral to the man known as chris nolan! im a REAL batman fan not some bitch who claims hes a grown man but sounds like he hasnt grown in his pubes  yet, but i digress. i  am a REAL  TRUE LIFELONG BATMAN fan a REAL BATMAN fan is Someone who accepts  Robin and EMBRACES him as part of the ENTIRE BATMAN Mythology not just in comics like some idiots! so if your a hick from backwater texas DONT READ ON because you Will get OFFENDED and severely butthurt!(fyi your really not a man anyway dude lol) unlike the pathetic wannabee whos name dare not be spoken. WARNER BROS you definitley need  to Make the Justice leauge Live ACtion movie its been a LONg time coming, and you have  made us wait long enough, and Yes MAINSTREAM Do care about a Live action  JLA MOvie! even the mainstream who have NEVER read comics,  have grew up on Superfreinds and JUSTICE LEAUGE  & JUSTICE LEAUGE UNLIMITED ANIMATED SERIES have been wanting  a Justice leauge live action movie for a while now. i dont subscribe to the fact at ALL that you have to do it the MARVEL way and put each solo Character out firs.t i actually dont mind if you do the reverse!.BATMAN is one of the Founding members of the JLA Along with SUPERMAN WONDERWOMAN FLASH AND AQUAMAN and MARTIANMANHUNTER and he should definitley be in this movie. the Solo batman shtick is getting old lately. and  i think Batman darkness Clashes and contrasts Perfectly with the Justice Leauge just as it does with Robin. Batman has thrived and been a part of JLA and team ups for Many years and it only makes him stronger. time to do away with the Law and order mafia story batman  thats Some weakling poser baclwater texas morons whos name rhymes with PET loves. and give us the real BATMAN the batman  of the comic books and the animated series that Paul  Dini and Bruce timm right a mix of the batman from batman 89  and the AWESOME FILM BATMAN RETURNS mixed with the batman of BATMAN FOREVER and the Animated Series, the TRUE Batman that has INTEGRITY and willing to have a PARTNER and WORK WITH A TEAM! while still being  Serious. not the idiot that the sad losers on Nolan On film circlejerk to they praise a BATMAN thats a bitch and would give up 1 year into his career and retire for 8 years! and that Stupid wannabee Poser Calls that the DEFINITIVE BATMAN? lol proof right there that Nolan on film consists of a bunch of idiots that know jack shit about BATMAN! WARNER BROS PUT JUSTICE LEAUGE LIVE ACTION FILM INTO PRODUCTION FOR THE REAL BATMAN AND SUPERMAN Fans. the Posers have theyre fake Batman uh NOLANMAN. we want the REAL BATMAN THATS PART OF THE JLA!

Friday, August 3, 2012

NOW THAT NOLAN IS GONE BATMAN HAS FREE REIGN AND CAN APPEAR ON TV!


Producer Marc Guggenheim Batman Will POSSIBLY Appear In ARROW!

Arrow producer Marc Guggenheim talks more about what we should and shouldn't expect from the upcoming CW show, and reveals whether the team on the series will be allowed to use the Caped Crusader (something Smallville never did during its decade long run).


We already know that well-know Green Arrow villains, 'China White' and 'Deadshot' will apear in the upcoming CW series, but in an interview with IGN TVArrow producer Marc Guggenheim was asked if fans should expect to see some familiar heroic faces turn up as well. Unfortunately, his answer is (unsurprisingly) a fairly vague one.

"I would say, 'Probably.' One of the things we want to do is roll the show out at the right pace. For the most part, I think we’ve taken the philosophy that things are happening sooner rather than later. I always feel like every time we get the note from the network, 'Is this happening too soon?,' I feel like we’re on the right track. I know as a viewer myself, I’m impatient. I want to see stuff. We’re not going to make the audience wait to see characters, plot twists, revelations. I think running out of great characters and great moments is a quality problem to have, and I just want to have them."

As for whether Batman will be one of the allies that this iteration of Oliver Queen meets up with, Guggenheim remains optimistic that the team behind Arrow will be able to use him in the series. For years, fans hoped that they might see Bruce Wayne appear in Smallville, but the show was never allowed by Warner Bros. execs to use him. Could that now change following the release of Christopher Nolan's final film in The Dark Knight trilogy?

"Oh, my hope is that we can use him at some point. I think that plagued the Smallville showrunners more than it plagues us because, obviously, the Dark Knight Trilogy is over. They’re not available to us yet. My hope is that they’ll be available to us at some point. That would be awesome. No question, that would be absolutely awesome. But I don’t know. That’s a definite possibility but above my paygrade.